The sad, sad other side of the story is perhaps that part of the result of colonialism is the brain drain that has already happened across much of the world that took the people with many of the most resources and skin in the game and education, who could’ve made incredible investments in their countries of origin, however, they’ve probably already assimilated and seen that their human and financial capital can grow much more as can their children’s in the post colonial industrialized west. And thus the satellite and sub development situation as well as the return on Investment on more complex infrastructure development Across what people used to call the Third World, remains extremely fraught, to put it simplistically…..
Geo politics of pretty much all of the major nations of the last hundred years as resulted in this tragedy so we can’t just point one or two fingers conveniently across the aisle,
Look for commonalities, exchange ideas across cultures. Two starting points: "Islam and the Discovery of Freedom" by Rose Wilder Lane (of Little House fame), edited with commentary by Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, Director of The Minaret of Freedom (Hayek, Mises, understood); and second: "Charlemagne, Muhammad, and the Arab Roots of Capitalism" by Gene W. Heck. Be part of a waves of conversation that work from congenial edges inward. One important thing we share with the Saracen world is that their worst ideas and ours both lead to the destruction of civilization. Let's make personal connections that understand that and work to avoid it. Meanwhile, the predators and fanatics of both cultures must be dealt with harshly.
Not an easy subject to write about, I think you’ve done a very nice job.
Many people point to Paris and France and say that London has done a supremely better job than the French and managing cultural immigration.
Nonetheless, for industrialized donations that also are frequently post Colonial nations, …..
until policies at home allow for a gray market of semi legal immigrant workers that accept reduced privileges For the opportunity for employment and possibly future citizenship, …
and until current citizens are more incentivized for both education, but also supported to have happy and healthy families (child, friendly policies for daycare and public parks and transportation, etc. ) that maintain the replacement value, …..
the entire paradigm of literate and educated world and society is in big trouble….
No, I mean women wearing burkas, honor killings, female genital mutilation, theocratic governments (post reformation) to name a few ideologies that are completely alien to western civilization.
If you phrased those as “culturally/religious neutral” questions….. and were able to take a global cross class /Cross age , multi nation/multi cultural survey, it would be absolutely fascinating to see what patterns May be visible, if any. History and brutality and culture are nuanced. Yet riots and tabloids make lusty apes of us all/or most anyway…. The things that you mentioned her certainly out of fashion, but they are not completely unpopular amongst many swaths of Caucasian Christians. The behavior of the New England Puritans, who were supposedly looking for religious freedom, was sometimes as brutal, if we are to believe the accounts. … as deplorable as the behavior of the Taliban appears to be, it’s hard to say that people who have been “a dry and hot Panini sandwich between the USSR and Russia and the United States” for the last 50 years, not to mention previous global empires, is exactly a nation full of choices
Good on this topic is Douglas Murray's 2017 book, "The Strange Death of Europe". Also worth reading: "Radical: My Journey out of Islamist Extremism" by Maajed Nawaz.
"Can it be an accident that Western countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and the UK all have open borders simultaneously?"
I was thinking more of the US. While it is required by the "supreme law of the land" (Article I, Section 9; Article V; Amendment 10) to have "open borders," and while as a practical matter 95,500 miles of border and coastline could never be "secured," Republicans and Democrats alike have poured billions of dollars and thousands of roving gangs of thugs into supposedly doing so. Both parties seem very intent on Making America East Germany Again.
There's a difference between that which is designed to vet those coming in and that which keeps citizens from escaping. I suppose the powerful could flip a switch and make that transformation happen, but migration is not a simple theoretical matter. It requires considerations of context and pragmatism.
The sad, sad other side of the story is perhaps that part of the result of colonialism is the brain drain that has already happened across much of the world that took the people with many of the most resources and skin in the game and education, who could’ve made incredible investments in their countries of origin, however, they’ve probably already assimilated and seen that their human and financial capital can grow much more as can their children’s in the post colonial industrialized west. And thus the satellite and sub development situation as well as the return on Investment on more complex infrastructure development Across what people used to call the Third World, remains extremely fraught, to put it simplistically…..
Geo politics of pretty much all of the major nations of the last hundred years as resulted in this tragedy so we can’t just point one or two fingers conveniently across the aisle,
Look for commonalities, exchange ideas across cultures. Two starting points: "Islam and the Discovery of Freedom" by Rose Wilder Lane (of Little House fame), edited with commentary by Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, Director of The Minaret of Freedom (Hayek, Mises, understood); and second: "Charlemagne, Muhammad, and the Arab Roots of Capitalism" by Gene W. Heck. Be part of a waves of conversation that work from congenial edges inward. One important thing we share with the Saracen world is that their worst ideas and ours both lead to the destruction of civilization. Let's make personal connections that understand that and work to avoid it. Meanwhile, the predators and fanatics of both cultures must be dealt with harshly.
Not an easy subject to write about, I think you’ve done a very nice job.
Many people point to Paris and France and say that London has done a supremely better job than the French and managing cultural immigration.
Nonetheless, for industrialized donations that also are frequently post Colonial nations, …..
until policies at home allow for a gray market of semi legal immigrant workers that accept reduced privileges For the opportunity for employment and possibly future citizenship, …
and until current citizens are more incentivized for both education, but also supported to have happy and healthy families (child, friendly policies for daycare and public parks and transportation, etc. ) that maintain the replacement value, …..
the entire paradigm of literate and educated world and society is in big trouble….
Agreed. And illegal immigration + lack of assimilation by cultures completely alien to western civilization may be the final nail in America’s coffin.
https://lizlasorte.substack.com/p/borders-and-boundaries-and-freedom?r=76q58
“Completely alien”? Or maybe just experiments gone wrong and fueled by cocaine (“metaphorically”) by the world’s intelligence agencies ….
No, I mean women wearing burkas, honor killings, female genital mutilation, theocratic governments (post reformation) to name a few ideologies that are completely alien to western civilization.
If you phrased those as “culturally/religious neutral” questions….. and were able to take a global cross class /Cross age , multi nation/multi cultural survey, it would be absolutely fascinating to see what patterns May be visible, if any. History and brutality and culture are nuanced. Yet riots and tabloids make lusty apes of us all/or most anyway…. The things that you mentioned her certainly out of fashion, but they are not completely unpopular amongst many swaths of Caucasian Christians. The behavior of the New England Puritans, who were supposedly looking for religious freedom, was sometimes as brutal, if we are to believe the accounts. … as deplorable as the behavior of the Taliban appears to be, it’s hard to say that people who have been “a dry and hot Panini sandwich between the USSR and Russia and the United States” for the last 50 years, not to mention previous global empires, is exactly a nation full of choices
Apologies, couple of typos. I don’t see how to edit the post after pressing the blue arrow. 🤦🏼♂️
Good on this topic is Douglas Murray's 2017 book, "The Strange Death of Europe". Also worth reading: "Radical: My Journey out of Islamist Extremism" by Maajed Nawaz.
Mark Steyn was at least a decade ahead of Murray with his warnings.
It’s all a cunning plan… to become enough of a sh*t-hole that the migrants leave of their own accord.
"Can it be an accident that Western countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and the UK all have open borders simultaneously?"
It's neither an accident nor a fact.
I think this is a fair point, especially as Germany and the Netherlands have tightened up relatively recently.
I was thinking more of the US. While it is required by the "supreme law of the land" (Article I, Section 9; Article V; Amendment 10) to have "open borders," and while as a practical matter 95,500 miles of border and coastline could never be "secured," Republicans and Democrats alike have poured billions of dollars and thousands of roving gangs of thugs into supposedly doing so. Both parties seem very intent on Making America East Germany Again.
There's a difference between that which is designed to vet those coming in and that which keeps citizens from escaping. I suppose the powerful could flip a switch and make that transformation happen, but migration is not a simple theoretical matter. It requires considerations of context and pragmatism.
The actual name of the Berlin Wall was the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall "Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart ."
All that immigration requires consideration of is whether other people should be allowed to move and travel without your permission.
That latter statement sounds like Anarchist Platonism, which is why I mentioned context and pragmatism.
Certainly anarchist, but I'm not sure I see a Platonism connection.
Context and pragmatism require living in the real world rather than in a world where other people require your consent to live their lives.