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Daymon Pascual's avatar

Good topic, I think it's imperative that we acknowledge paralogical thinking here. We are both individuals AND part of a collective society. Both are true and if we expect our society to deliver justice and goodness then we have to bring that into being by balancing those aspects. The Golden Rule is so simple and yet so elusive when people want to rationalize why they don't need to take care of each other and only take care of numero uno.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Oh, so many thoughts!

First, I dislike the word "harm." It can so easily be misused.

"Your words harmed me."

"Your identity as a cis-het-white-male causes harm to our community."

"You are required to be silent and 'hold space'; failure to do so constitutes harm."

"Your face is a micro-aggression."

"Your superior abilities harm the chances of others to get ahead." (Harrison Bergeron)

I know that the NAP can seem trite. And that coercive force can sometimes be hard to identify on the margins. (Is cigar smoke force? How about gasoline dumped in the back yard?) But "initiation of coercive force" is far easier to define, and to protect from misuse, than "harm." (John Stuart Mill can feel free to contact my lawyers.)

Second, the inductive process you describe for deriving shared moral rules is going to produce the same core rules no matter who engages in the process.

Customs will differ. Virtue-ethical SHOULDs will differ somewhat. Justice and Fairness will start to look more similar, but will still vary from culture to culture. But then you get to the MUSTs/MUST NOTs, and they all look the same. There is a good reason for that.

When you unwind these four strands of the cord of morality, it becomes easier to see which ones are subjective and which are objectively true. Objectively real? Objective facts?

That brings us to…

Third, maybe the word "facts" is getting in the way. Love is real. Is it a "fact"? Even if love were nothing more than the result of oxytocin and other trickery Mother Nature plays on us to keep us breeding and protecting other members of the species, it would still be real.

Just because we cannot dig up moral principles from the ground and eat them like carrots, or find them elsewhere in nature and place them on shelf to gaze at lovingly, does not make them not real.

When we look at the most objective aspect of morality—the MUST/NOTs—we find them throughout nature. They permeate our existence. Toddlers, animals, and even plants understand them. Every culture understands them. They are universal.

I think the urge to identify them as facts, and the failure to find them as empirically measurable objects, ends up getting in the way of embracing them as a reality, just as we embrace love as something very real in our lives.

The universe is woven together with freedom-magic, my brother. Bask in its reality!

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