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Pat Wagner's avatar

This line summarizes what I believe: How are we to live? Thank you.

Me? I learned about the libertarian movement in 1976. Up to then I had been a garden-variety skeptic of all things political and of most causes. Growing up in Chicago in the 1950s and 1960s I took for granted that pretty much all politicians were corrupt. Have met a small handful of exceptions. Never hero-worshipped any candidate, because I never believe their campaign speeches.

My father had taught me to respect people and question authority. Both my parents modeled good lives, filled with generosity and compassion. Because I loved books and the importance of treating people as equals, regardless of their status et al, I believed in a marketplace of ideas from an early age. Did not understand the potential scope of that belief at the time.

Even as a kid, I was the annoying person who would raise my hand in meetings and ask unpopular questions, challenging whatever the status quo was at the moment. Never heard of Ayn Rand. I was surrounded by left-leaning activists in college. In most cases, I found the gap between their rhetoric and their actions clueless at the best and hypocritical, mean, and self-serving at the worst.

As an adult I lived in an artistic bubble of writers, artists, and theater people. Volunteered for some charities. Had a job and friends. It was enough. But then...

So, 1976. All this happened with a few weeks. First I learned about people who called themselves libertarians from a boyfriend who was a fan of Thomas Szasz, but hated the libertarian movement in general and libertarians specifically for vague reasons. I just ignored his tirades. Never understood his vitriol.

Second, a well-known local weapon's expert and knife dealer engaged me in a conversation at a community gathering about the Second Amendment and why it is a good thing. I was at first appalled by his stance regarding gun laws, but by the end of our talk I had an epiphany about the effects of prohibition on markets–I knew, growing up in Chicago, where the money to fund the mobs came from. Was like a crack in a wall.

Then I met the man who I ended up marrying. He had been in the liberty movement since 1959. He had the privilege of meeting many well-known scholars and, in some cases, studying under them. People like F.A. Hayek and Ludwig Von Mises. He introduced me to the Austrian School of Economics during our dates.

I was hooked.

Many people I know discovered libertarian ideas through the works of Ayn Rand and later Ron Paul. For me, the principles of the Austrian school economists and philosophers, and related thinkers like Sir Karl Popper, Alfred Korzybski, and Michael Polanyi, felt like a homecoming, putting words to feelings I could not articulate.

After almost 50 years, what have I learned?

1. Just like any other movement, there are many different people who claim the label, some whom I find very embarrassing. They appear not to know much about anything except they have one complaint about the world.

2. Politics is just one sliver of what I consider the libertarian pie: anthropology, philosophy, linguistics, culture, economics, conflict resolution, business, law, psychology, history, government, international development, education, community, criminology, ethics, medicine, scientific inquiry, education, etc.

It’s not just about Ayn Rand, politics, and the Libertarian Party.

3. People have different concerns, sometimes only one. There is not one movement. I don't think there is one fix, if that is the right word. It is a market with ambiguous language and conflicting secret handshakes. Often people use the same words for different things and different words for the same things, fueling lifelong feuds and public denunciations.

• The Libertarian Party: political action

• Survivalists: off the grid, self-sufficiency

• Decentralists: distributed governance, free cities

• Cryptos and trade: alternative forms of exchange

• Life extension: alternative medicine and wellness

• Techno: technology, space, cybernetics, blockchain

• Guns, gold, taxes, open borders, weed, anti-war

• Objectivists, anarcho-capitalists, voluntarists

4. I know many people who would never call themselves libertarians but still share some of the values I hold dear, such as seeking voluntary, entrepreneurial approaches to problems and wholly lacking the desire to control other people. So I like to think of it as a frame of mind, one's response to the world.

5. I figured out a while back that I might be classified as an entrepreneurial libertarian.

Premise #1: Humans are endlessly inventive. We need to get out of their way.

Premise #2: Science is a constant process:

--- Conjecture and refutation: Sir Karl Popper

--- Heresy today, dogma tomorrow: Greg McAllister

Premise #3: Support multiple solutions and choices that are always evolving: my best way to deal with the world.

6. I can speak only for myself.

So, if you use the label libertarian or something similar to describe your philosophical frame, what have you learned?

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Christopher Cook's avatar

I am listening.

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Author John G. Dyer's avatar

I hate to get too caught up in a debate over what words are supposed to mean, but I would like to point out that conservative implies two important ideas. Conservation, and caution.

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Stephen Nass's avatar

You write as though you are unaware of the Free State Project. Here, libertarians are winning. We have community centers, own many businesses, are massively influencial on state politics. The Democrats here have monthly meetings to brief their membership on us. Multiple organizations exist with the sole mission to stop libertarians in New Hampshire, because we're that robust. If you want to attend an event with libertarians, our calendar averages 500+ events a year.

If you would like to learn more, I would be happy to chat.

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Editor's avatar

You are right. Believe it or not, Dear Stephen, I am heartened by this and absolutely should have credited people like Jason Sorens and my friend Carla Gericke.

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Stephen Nass's avatar

What's holding you back from joining us here?

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TurquoiseThyme's avatar

In 2016 I watched on the ground streamed video of the outsides of both the Republicans and the Democrats conventions. While there were some substantial differences, the Republican convention had an outdoor well ordered street festival feeling, and people open carrying rifles. The Democrat convention had eight foot high chain link fences, and intermittent mini riots.

They both had people in weird outfits. Weird outfits are just part of the political process. Shoe on head is in no way remarkable, I have no idea how the Republicans get their strangely dressed folk hidden. It lends credence to the uniparty theory.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

“spraying-then-hiding like unneutered housecats”

🤣🤣🤣

I love good writing!

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Brian Moore's avatar

regarding this:

"Libertarianism must evolve into a doctrine that promises better people, stronger communities, and human flourishing across multiple dimensions."

Less "evolve into" and more "go back and reclaim." If all libertarianism is is "being right" then who cares? "Being right" was never supposed to just be "and then I win arguments online." It was supposed to mean "... and therefore forward unto a glorious future." This is what defined America at the founding and it is what the American dream has always meant. The American dream, however the plurality dreams it in their own head, has always meant things that the currently existing major ideologies cannot give, and many even denounce. Those things used to be part of the broadly defined libertarian/"freedom" tent even if people didn't even know or use the term libertarian.

"I don’t use spirituality as a religious term per se. I’m using it as a term that means the doctrine must evolve such that it aligns our heads, hearts, and guts in a manner that respects the complete human being."

Yes. We do not want freedom so we can have the highest Heritage freedom score, we want it - for ourselves, for everyone - because it is the tool the delivers the future. Freedom means prosperity, wealth, abundance. It means not just curing disease, but a lifetime of health and strength. It means flight, uplift; the stars. Everyone wants those things. Freedom is the best way to achieve them. The political implications follow.

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Thomas L. Knapp's avatar

Well put.

Being right is important. It's the first thing.

The second thing is making things happen without abandoning being right.

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THulsey's avatar

Hey, Thomas!

My swipe at "Left libertarians" (above) wasn't aimed at you, swear to god! Ha ha!

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Thomas L. Knapp's avatar

"Those libertarians straying left proudly triple masked and triple vaxxed, went SJF (social justice fundamentalist), showed their solidarity with Ukraine (Slava Ukraini! They were once antiwar but are now pro proxy war), and complain endlessly about Trump the Vulgar, Populist Authoritarian!!!—all in an effort to match the TDS of the progressive left."

That seems like a strange characterization. I am definitely a "left-libertarian." I considered masking an ineffective, unscientific quasi-religious ritual, I opposed vaccine mandates (I only got two vaxes, neither of them mRNA, as a clinical trial volunteer for Novavax), I'm against US intervention in Ukraine, and while I do complain about Trump, I also try to give him credit where and when any seems due.

I'm not sure what "Social Justice Fundamentalism" really entails, but I'm against "DEI" (formerly called "affirmative action), support the right of non-state entities to discriminate (in all directions), and consider both the "left" and "right" wing varieties of "woke" to be stupid. I once attended an anti-police-violence rally. I also once attended a rally against removal of a Confederate statue.

I'm a "paleo-left-libertarian" because libertarianism germinated on the "left" (e.g. Paine, Comte and Dunoyer, Bastiat et al.) and still seems to me to be the "left-most" spot on the left-right spectrum to the extent that spectrum enjoys any descriptive value (which, I admit, isn't much).

I'm also a "thin," NAP-centric libertarian, for what it's worth.

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Max Borders's avatar

"paleo-left-libertarian" You're an odd one, Mr. Knapp, but in a good way. (BTW. This post is a shotgun blast, not a sniper's rifle.) Maybe one day we can have a long, deep conversation about thin, NAP-centric libertarianism until the bar closes.

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Thomas L. Knapp's avatar

Or talk them into keeping the bar open!

I admit to being a bit weird, even on libertarian terms. Even after becoming a libertarian, I moved from the "militia bubba right" as of the mid-1990s to the "I'm not a capitalist because I'm not a Marxist left" by the early 2000s.

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Salango's avatar

I laughed really loud when I read this part "Journal of Mutual Onanism". LOL

But I agree with the arguments expressed here. I would add two things given the difference between the use of the word "Libertarian" in Latin America. The word here as been degraded and turn into a pejorative. I think is both a work of the left and rightwing mercantilist (sociopaths) to use 'Semantic Inversion' so the word means the opposite than what it should. And at the same time the guys who proclaim to be "Libertarians" in social media behave in the worst possible manners. They are actually online trolls who are finance by politicians who seem to be dedicated to destroy any reputation related to Libertarianism. Milei also has this type of personalities around him (he himself sometimes goes mad).

Now, the rebrand is becoming obvious to me. The protests against the Congress of Indonesia had made it clear. If people can't process Anarchy, at least they should be able to image their country without a Congress. Anti-Parliamentarism is about to become mainstream

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Barry Brownstein's avatar

Excellent essay, Max. Thank you.

About those claiming to have superior reason. A dose of David Hume would set them straight. Hume convincingly explained why our passions drive our decision-making, not reason. That is why some, who should have known better if they were "reasoning", raucously clapped for vaccines that are protected from liability. They were scared, and instead of honestly admitting they were frightened and were going to roll the dice on the vaccines, they claimed to be driven by reason. Hume is laughing.

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Editor's avatar

“Hume is laughing.” Great for a grave stone.

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Steve's avatar

I consider myself geolibertarian, but practical (can't have open borders period, as they'll eventually outvote and/or outviolence any functional libertarian society). I voted LP for president in 2000, 2004, 2012, and 2016.

'96, voted Dole. I was young and knew enough to hate Clinton, but not enough to hate the NWO Globalist Uniparty.

'08, the LP nominee was Bob Barr. In disgust with the choices, I wrote in my cat, ignoring even Ron Paul's endorsement of the seemingly overly religious Constitution Party candidate.

In 2020, when personal freedom should have been THE defining issue for the LP, they leaned into... open borders and performative "antiracist" wokery. Then in 2024 they doubled down with a Dem-Lite weenie who got in through parliamentary chicanery (I am given to understand they made the nomination last so long that a lot of Mises Caucus delegates had left by then).

So in '20, I voted for Trump in protest to teach them a lesson. When they did not learn that lesson, in '24, I voted for him again due to the existential threat of Kamala Harris.

One of the weirdest feelings for me is that Donald freakin' Trump is the only winning presidential vote I've ever cast. Including primaries (that is, my preferred primary vote has NEVER gone on to become the presidential candidate). If you'd told me 30 years ago that this would be the case, I'd probably have thought you had escaped the local loony bin!

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Curtis J Neeley Jr's avatar

. . . . .I am impressed and exhausted after reading a piece with so many L O N G words. Liberals, Libertarians, Conservatives, Progressives, Socialists, Democrats, and Republicans all have two characteristics in common despite wildly ranging values or desires. All are humans and all are addicted to free pornography broadcast on common carrier wires disguised as Nternet. These WIRE COMMUNICATIONS are often wireless using invisible airwaves but these as incidental apparatus like WiFi used between the wires being used.

. . . .Yes, I am a human and addicted to free pornography and allege most intelligent humans are. Once one of the most noted and collected producers of porn, I chose to repent and attempted to remove my noteworthy porn, created over thirty years as a pro, from being publicly broadcast to my children while in public schools.

. . . . My porn remains in books, magazines, websites, museums, and private collections all around the earth. Google offered me 5-million dollars to settle and stop trying to get my porn out of public searches and the book preview Google republished online from a NY library they scanned and put online. I l tried getting the FCC to recognize free online porn broadcasting by wire was illegal, and succeeded on Feb 26, 2015.

. . . .Porn distributors and porn addicts like Google and the ACLU and several porn addicted judges have set this FCC order aside. SCOTUS no longer has a majority of committed porn addicts since RBG rejoined Satan. She or her SCOTUS clerks used free speech as an excuse for free porn when I last was there.

. . . . .The recent refusal by SCOTUS to enter a primary injunction in NetChoice v Fitch (25A97) clearly showed the free speech excuse for porn broadcasting to minors by wire will no longer permit porn broadcasting though Kavanaugh wishes this to continue.

. . . . Sure, libertarians need to find a new leader and develop some “bench” if hoping to affect culture via politics. This article should influence readers. Still; does this issue warrant consideration when porn broadcasting by wire surrounds all humanity counter to common law and several U.S. laws. I argue that nothing matters as long as culture of humanity remains destroyed by FIAT.

Many say all figurenudes are porn just as some say any adult female breast exposure is porn also. Porn is wholly subjective since Eve covered her beautiful breasts with leaves and had never breastfed.

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THulsey's avatar

YOU: "the NAP cannot be a free-standing answer to everything under the sun"

>>Exactly. This is one nub of the libertarian problem. Further, I think that much confusion would be gone with the departure of so-called "Left libertarians." This is a contradiction in terms worse than "Peoples' Republic" – or "bagpipe lullaby" – since Leftism always means big government, and the illusion that it can distribute "public goods" to the benefit of all.

YOU: "Joe Sixpack and Jill Ivorytower"

>>Ding! Ding! Good one.

YOU:"local yokals"

>>Say yokels, Max.

YOU: Brand|People|Message|Means|Mission|Values|Strategy|Spirituality

>>texitnow.org

and

https://store.mises.org/Constitution-of-Non-state-Government-Field-Guide-to-Texas-Secession-P11264.aspx

Have you been stealing my stuff? If not, what's the holdup?

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Max Borders's avatar

My man! I hope you know I already have the Constitution of Non-State Government and your new fiction book, both in paper. Hopefully, passersby will see the link and pick one up! Also, thanks as always for the typo tip. (Fixin' to fix it.)

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